Info-Mac 4/Info_Mac IV CD-ROM (Pacific HiTech Inc.)(August 1994).iso/Periodicals/InfoMac Digest volume 12/infomacv12-014.txt

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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 13:38:22 PST
From: The Info-Mac Moderators <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Info-Mac Digest V12 #14
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Info-Mac Digest             Mon, 24 Jan 94       Volume 12 : Issue 14

Today's Topics:

      [!] Attention MYST Fans
      [*] a shady little sound archive
      [*] ButtonTalk 1.0 submission
      [*] Final Frontier pre-alpha
      [*] Jessica Rabbit icons
      [*] Jon's Commands 1.0
      [*] Koyn Fractal Studio Demo
      [*] Koyn Fractal Studio Demo submission
      [*] LettermanJan94.cpt.hqx (Sounds from the Letterman show)
      [*] MacBiff v1.01
      [*] MyBattery 2.2.2
      [*] Nordles
      [*] QuickDial 1.4 submission
      [*] RunScript MPW AppleScript Compiler
      [*] Strange-Ways-dec.hqx
      [*] update wantfaq
      [*] UsenEdit v1.1.2
      '1984' avail. via Gopher
      About that tempting LineLink...
      Apple's warranty service (C)
      AppleShare - ARA - Retrospect Conflict.
      appletalkand ethernet
      A Q on Zterm
      Auto Power On/Off tidbits 209 [C]
      BeHierarchic
      BeHierarchic 2.0
      BeHierarchic 2.0 is NOT freely redistributable
      Bold Symbol? (A)
      death of wuarchive (enclosed: their README.NOW file)
      Disappearing Icons (C)
      Electronic form designer for the Newton
      Eudora & recombining "split" mail (A)
      Exchanging documents between Eudora and cc:mail (q)
      FutureBasic Bug
      Happy birthday!
      Hard Disk hates to get up in the morning_[Q]
      HD Formatting Questions
      How to set up silent answer on a Supra?
      Hypercard->Toolbook
      LCD screens and eyestrain (C)
      LocalTalk/Ethernet Routers
      LW 8.1 Spool
      Mac286 & HDFD - Help?
      New list for Macintosh Managers (Mac-Mgrs)
      Old mac questions...
      Operate an FC BBS?
      PB trackball fix
      Scanner purchase advice sought
      Startupscreen on second monitor --Thankyou
      Submission of BeHierarchic 2.0 to archives
      Unattended shutdown on a Plus (SUMMARY)
      VST ThinPlate vs PowerPlate
      WangDAT 3200 driver for Macintosh
      Why not ftp using the Choos
      WriteNow 3.0 Bug

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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 06:06:07 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Gordon Werner)
Subject: [!] Attention MYST Fans

ATTENTION ALL MYST FANS!!

There is an "official" MYST fan club about to start for fans of this Award
winning CD-ROM for the Macintosh.

If you or anyone you know would like to join, please send E-MAIL to Ivan
Cockrum...He will be accepting donations from anyone and everyone who wants
to about the game, from comments to problems to hints.  So, if you have
something to tell others, let Ivan know and he will include it in the
newsletter.

His E-MAIL address is:   [e-mail]

In your message give your name, snail-mail address, e-mail address, and let
him know that you heard about this club here.

Thanks


thanks

Gordon Werner   *8^)

[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 14:08:27 CST
From: Breed_X <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] a shady little sound archive

In light of such uploads as the great game Happyweed (AKA Drug
Man), I have decided to try uploading this small sound archive
in hopes that it will be acceptable despite the obvious subject
matter. Should it be okay, more will follow. Please send
correspondence to [e-mail], rather than the above
listed e-mail address.  Thank you for your time and consideration,
and bearing with me on my first upload.


                     Peter Bartoli, Esq.

[Archived as /info-mac/snd/pot.hqx; 296K]

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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 94 19:57:51 CST
From: [e-mail] (Matthew Eli Blain)
Subject: [*] ButtonTalk 1.0 submission

 ButtonTalk allows those with AV (speech-capable) Macs to use the buttons
on a hypercard stack with voice control.
 To use it, click on one of the button above to start using this stack
and bring up a menu. Go to whatever card you wish to use, and choose
Create Button Menu from the btnTalk menu. (You can even say it if you
have speech recognition.)
 A menu will be created with a button assigned to each item; you can
speak a menu item to click on that button. To remove a button menu,
choose remove button menu from that menu.

* Copyright/Distribution Notice *
 The current version of this stack is shareware ($5). You can distribute
it in any way you would like. If you modify the stack in some
significant way, let me know. And please don't distribute modified
versions without my permission.

Matthew Blain
[e-mail]
Version 1.0 of January, 1994

[Archived as /info-mac/card/button-talk-10.hqx; 6K]

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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 19:52:37 --100
From: [e-mail] (Christian Steffen Ove Franz)
Subject: [*] Final Frontier pre-alpha

Final Frontier

If you liked ELITE, you'll probably love Final Frontier...

This is a development pre-alpha 0.0 version of the upcoming game
I will probably call FINAL FRONTIER. In this version you can't really do very

much except fly around, target some spaceships, try to dock and communicate

with base and ships (I wonder how long it will take you to figure out how
to do the latter).

I'm passing out this version to

    - see if there is interest in this kind of game

    - show that it is possible to write this kind of game

    - recruit an artist to help me with artwork and music

    - recruit Alpha/Beta testers

    - whet you appetite and increase my self-esteem


Please read the 'Looking for ...' files if you are intersted in becoming
Tester or Artist for Final Frontier.

Cheers,
Christian Franz

[Archived as /info-mac/game/final-frontier-00a.hqx; 635K]

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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 94 21:47:32 GMT
From: Lloyd Wood <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] Jessica Rabbit icons

Icons of Jessica Rabbit for copying onto your hard disk or folder icons.
Place them on top of each other and press TAB for animation. Or perhaps not.

[Archived as /info-mac/gui/grf/jessica-rabbit-icons.hqx; 6K]

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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 01:38:03 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Jon Pugh)
Subject: [*] Jon's Commands 1.0

This is Jon's Commands 1.0, a collection of useful scripting
additions for AppleScript.  I've written these for my own use,
but wanted to share them with the world.

Jon's Commands are:

    deleteFile: Delete a file.
    renameFile: Rename a file or folder.
    moveFile: Move a file or folder.
    sound volume: Returns the current system sound volume.
    set sound volume to: Sets the current system sound volume.
    clipboard info: Get information about the clipboard.
    set the clipboard to: Place data on clipboard.
    the clipboard: Get value of clipboard.
    execute FKEY: Run an FKEY resource.
    screen list: Return a list of screen statistics.
    finder selection: Get the Finder's selection.
    keys pressed: Get the keys that are currently pressed.
    machine environment: Information about the running machine.
    play sound: Play an snd format sound.
    run script resource: Run a script resource.
    free memory: Return available free memory.
    the ticks: Return the current tick count.

Documentation is included and support is free and friendly.  In
fact, Jon's Commands are free for non-commercial use.  Contact me
for a cheap and easy commercial licence.

Jon
[e-mail]

[Archived as /info-mac/dev/jons-commands-10-as.hqx; 18K]

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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 94 18:38:51 CST
From: Terry Koyn <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] Koyn Fractal Studio Demo

This is a demonstration copy of Koyn Fractal Studio 2.0.

Koyn Fractal Studio 2.0 allows you to create a rich variety of intricate
images.  Koyn Fractal Studio makes the beauty of fractals, once the
domain of mathematicians, accessible to ordinary users with its
graphical approach to image creation.

Fractals are shapes of infinite detail that have patterns of self-
similarity-a part of a fractal resembles a smaller copy of the whole.
Such shapes often have great beauty and intricacy. Fractals often give
the impression of receding into infinity with their ever smaller parts
that resemble the whole.

[Archived as /info-mac/grf/util/koyn-fractal-studio-20-demo.hqx; 292K]

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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 23:35:46 CST
From: Terry Koyn <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] Koyn Fractal Studio Demo submission

This is a demonstration copy of Koyn Fractal Studio 2.0.

Koyn Fractal Studio 2.0 allows you to create a rich variety of intricate
images.  Koyn Fractal Studio makes the beauty of fractals, once the
domain of mathematicians, accessible to ordinary users with its
graphical approach to image creation.

Fractals are shapes of infinite detail that have patterns of self-
similarity-a part of a fractal resembles a smaller copy of the whole.
Such shapes often have great beauty and intricacy. Fractals often give
the impression of receding into infinity with their ever smaller parts
that resemble the whole.

You create fractal images by defining an image as a collage of distorted
copies of itself. You use the mouse to manipulate polygons to form a
collage.  Fractals make eye-catching design elements and form intricate
background patterns and textures.  You can create an infinite variety of
intricate images not possible by other means.

Koyn Fractal Studio renders images in up to 24-bit color, allowing
creation of colorful images.  Resolution may be as high as 2540 dpi for
high resolution applications. The zoom feature allows you to zoom
in up to 100,000,000 times to view the infinite detail present in
fractal shapes and to obtain any view of a fractal for use in design
projects.  Images may be resized without a loss in detail or resolution,
allowing generation of detailed images in a wide range of sizes.  Koyn
Fractal Studio includes a 181 page user guide and the Fractal Library, a
collection of over 50 pre-made fractal images.

The Koyn Fractal Studio 2.0 demonstration consists of a self-running
document, a trial version of Koyn Fractal Studio, and a collection of
pre-made fractals for your enjoyment. The self-running document may be
read and printed without a word processor. The self-running document
provides general ingormation on Koyn Fractal Studio and fractals,
tutorials, and a special discount order form.

The demonstration copy includes all features of the full version except:

o     Save, Save As, and Save Picture menu commands are disabled.
o     Page Setup and Print menu commands are disabled.
o     Copy Picture menu command is disabled.
o     Floating Point coprocessor support is not provided.
o     The bit depth of a new or monochrome document cannot be set to
      color. (Sample color documents can be opened in color and
      changed.)
o     A reduced version of the Fractal Library is provided.
o     Complete printed documentation.

[Archived as /info-mac/app/fractal-studio-20.hqx; 292K]

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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 01:22:30 -0500
From: Merry Blue Year <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] LettermanJan94.cpt.hqx (Sounds from the Letterman show)

Okay here's a packet of Letterman clips.

#1 Stop It!--1/20/94
#2 I am the dumbest man on the planet--1/21/94. Dave reviewing the "I forgot to
bring toll money" incident for the second consecutive day.
#3 Oh No! We're gonna get sued!--1/21/94. Dave talking about the Boat Show.

#1 and #2 are great general quotes to have in your shuffle. #3 is fun too.

Adam Conn
[e-mail]

[Archived as /info-mac/snd/david-letterman-jan94.hqx; 58K]

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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 16:10:18 -0600 (CST)
From: J Kreibich <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] MacBiff v1.01

   This is a copy of MacBiff v1.01, a mail notification application for
   Macintosh.  It is designed to let someone at a Macintosh know when
   their UN?X account gets new mail.  It requires no no permissions to
   set up and does not leave programs running on the UN?X machine.  It
   also only takes up 50K memory, but requries System 7 and MacTCP.

   Version 1.01 fixes a bug in the AppleEvent code that would cause a
   crash on some machines if Eudora was not running.  This is the first
   release to an FTP site.

   Written by the Student Chapter of the Association for Computing
   Machinery at the University of Illinois, Urbana - Champaign.

   Mail [e-mail] for more info.

   Cheers,

   -j

  Jay Kreibich                  U of I                  Computer Science
   "You think that I want to be understood..."  -They Might Be Giants

[Archived as /info-mac/comm/net/mac-biff-101.hqx; 76K]

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Date: 21 Jan 1994 13:00:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Jeremy Kezer, [phone]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] MyBattery 2.2.2

MyBattery 2.2.2 for PowerBooks

MyBattery is the essential battery monitoring utility for notebook
Macintoshes!
David Pogue of MacWorld loved it's "super-cool fuel gauge."  MyBattery lets you
monitor your internal battery, displaying the battery voltage in one of several
user-selectable displays.  MyBattery also provides an accurate estimate of how
much remaining time you have on your battery charge.  Color and gray scale
support, multiple battery support, status indicators for AppleTalk, modem and
CPU speed, and much more!

Shareware; $10 registration fee suggested.  Complete electronic manual is
included.

Jeremy Kezer
143 Songbird Lane
Farmington, CT  06032-3433 (USA)
[e-mail]

[Archived as /info-mac/cfg/my-battery-222.hqx; 148K]

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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 18:19:45 -0800 (PST)
From: John Stiles <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] Nordles

    This is Nordles, a HyperCard stack which is just for fun! Download it
and check it out, I promise you that you will like it! It is extraordinarily
cool.
                            *Stiles
[Archived as /info-mac/game/nordles.hqx; 14K]

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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 94 02:10:52 CST
From: [e-mail] (Matthew Eli Blain)
Subject: [*] QuickDial 1.4 submission

QuickDial 1.3
Keywords: PHONE DIALER MODEM COPY CLIPBOARD
 This 4k program fills a very simple but important need: it dials  voice
numbers with your modem. It has no interface whatsoever, but rather reads
the number from the clipboard. On launch the program first tries to read
STR id 129 for a phone number. If that is blank, it wil try to read the
clipboard text. It will send ATD <text>, ; H0 to the modem (a generic
dial and hangup when done). Control will return immediatly to the
computer, even during dialing, unless you have set otherwise.
 I suggest putting the program in your Apple Menu for instant access!
 I'm sure that programs like this exist elsewhere, but I couldn't find
one so I threw this together myself. It works perfectly on my Mac SE/30,
and I can see no reason why it would not work on all Macintosh models.
 This program is public domain. If you do or even don't like it, please
drop me a note!

 Version 1.0.2 really closes the serial port (Well, it always did. But I
had to open the input side to close it!). It now also runs at 1200 bps.
and sends an initial AT<cr> to wake up the modem.
 Version 1.1 adds proper hangup-when-done (no silly wait 15 seconds bit)
and read a default prefix and phone number from the resource fork of the
file. It also includes an about balloon, bringing the size up from 2k to
4k. Bloat? You decide!
 Version 1.2 (8/31/93) didn't work, but if it did it would have the
option to wait for the modem to finish before quitting.
 Version 1.3 (1/21/94) does work. It changes a few features in ways worth
noting: (This also describes how the program works!)
  1) It sends AT<return>, then the string contained in STR id 128, then
STR id 129 or the clipboard if STR id 129 is blank, then ";H0"<return>.
This is slightly different than the old versions which sent ATD before
the STR id 128, etc.
  2) It now reads STR id 130 to check how long of a delay you want
between the time the command is sent to the modem and the program quits.
Putting in 0 will give the same behavior as before, where the program
quits as the phone is dialed. If you have fax software, or possibly a
powerbook, putting in a delay of 15 seconds or so will allow your modem
to dial before it is cut off. Your computer will appear to freeze for
however long you have specified; it really hasn't. I would still like to
have the option of waiting for the modem, but I haven't figured it out
(or had time to), so if someone can, please let me know!

Version 1.3 of 1/21/94.
Matthew Blain
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
__________________

[Archived as /info-mac/comm/quick-dial-13.hqx; 15K]

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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 01:38:17 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Jon Pugh)
Subject: [*] RunScript MPW AppleScript Compiler

Version 1.0

RunScript is a Shareware AppleScript MPW tool.  It compiles, it decompiles, it
executes and it returns results.  What more could you want?

The reasons for using RunScript over the AppleScript Script Editor are
numerous:  Search and replace features.  Projector support.  No 32K limit on
scripts.  Advanced editing features (like arrows keys that work with shift,
command and option keys).  Additional MPW tool support.  ToolServer. The list
goes on and on.

The things that are missing from RunScript & MPW:  Styled text support.

I hope RunScript meets your MPW AppleScript needs.  All I ask is a small
Shareware fee if you use this.  It's $10 for individuals using this for fun and
profit and $20 per person (or $200 for a site licence) for companies to use
this in their commercial or in-house projects.  I provide support and bug fixes
to all registered users.

Send comments, suggestions, bug reports and directed insults to me at:

Jon Pugh
1861 Landings Drive
Mountain View, CA 94043
[e-mail]
[phone]

[Archived as /info-mac/dev/run-script-10-mpw.hqx; 24K]

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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 11:23 EST
From: Adam Zucker <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] Strange-Ways-dec.hqx

This is issue #7 of Strange Ways, an electronic magazine devoted to
the hottest band in the land ... KISS!

Inside this month's issue:  Japanese KISS CDs, a definative guide to
KISS video bootlegs, an on the scene report from the 3rd annual
Toronto KISS Convention, news, reviews, and much more!

Strange Ways is a Rstand-aloneS document that only requires a
*color* compatible Macintosh to run.  No additional hardware or
software is necessary.  Strange Ways is created using an Apple
Macintosh LC II, Apple One Color Scanner, and Green Mountain
SoftwareUs DocMaker.

If some of the graphics or photographs present in Strange Ways do
not appear on your computer, try increasing the amount of memory
allotted to the application.  Do this by (1) clicking once on the Strange
Ways icon (2) selecting Rget infoS from the file menu and (3) increase
the current size setting by typing in a larger number.

Strange Ways may be freely distributed, but not altered in any way.

Please address all questions and comments to:
[e-mail]

[Archived as /info-mac/per/strange-ways-7.hqx; 329K]

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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 13:55:46 -0600
From: Rusty Harold <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] update wantfaq

Buying and Selling Macintosh Computers, Software and Peripherals

      comp.sys.mac.faq, part 5:
      comp.sys.mac.wanted & misc.forsale.computers.mac
      Copyright 1994 by Elliotte Harold
      Archive-name: macintosh/wanted-faq
      Version: 2.2.1
      Last-modified: January 22, 1994


What's new in version 2.2.1:


  The prices have been adjusted somewhat for different used items.
  and various grammaar and spelling errors have been corrected.
  The Centris 660av has been renamed the Quadra 660av

  4.1: Macrotime

  68040 Powerbooks are now rumored to be coming in April rather than
  January as I originally thought.  I've also punhed back the expected
  dates of availability for the various PowerPC Macs.


             Table of Contents
 ------------------------------------------------------------------

I.   Buying and Selling Used Equipment
     1. Should I buy/sell on Usenet?
     2. Where should I buy/sell used equipment?
     3. I've decided to completely ignore your excellent advice and
    post my ad anyway.  What should I do?
     4. I've decided to completely ignore your excellent advice and
    buy something offered for sale on the net anyway.  How can
    I avoid being ripped off?
II.  Fair Market Value
     1. How much is my computer worth?
     2. What is used software worth?
     3. Going prices?
III. Where Should I Buy a New Mac?
     1. Authorized Dealers
     2. VAR's
     3. Superstores
     4. Performas
     5. Educational Dealers
     6. Direct From Apple
     7. Does anyone know a dealer in New York City?
IV.  When Should I buy a New Mac?
     1. Macrotime
     2. Microtime
     3. When will I get my Mac?
V.   How Should I Buy a New Mac?
     1. Know what you want
     2. The dealer needs to sell you a mac more than you need to buy one
     3. Have a competitor's ad handy
     4. Cash on delivery
     5. The sales tax game
     6. Leasing
     7. Be nice to the salesperson.
VI.  The Gray Market and Mail Order
     1. What is the gray market?
     2. Are gray market Macs covered by Apple warranties?
     3. Does anyone know a good mail-order company?

[Archived as /info-mac/info/csm-wanted-faq-221.txt; 50K]

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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 13:17:35 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Erik Schwiebert)
Subject: [*] UsenEdit v1.1.2

UsenEdit v1.1.2 (thats /Yooz' ned it/) is a very small, very fast text
editor.  It was written to cooperate with Peter Speck's Nuntius newsreader,
especially in low-memory situations.

Features:
    Up to 3 files of 32k each open at the same time;
    Takes only 50k of RAM to operate;
    Full Cut, Copy, Paste, Undo support, including F1-F4 on extended
    kybds.;
    Stationery documents for all those various .sigs;
    Email-ware, no $$$!;
    AppleEvent aware (sorry, no AppleScript);
    Wordwrap at specified boundary (without <RETURN>'s!)

Requirements:
    50k free RAM;
    System 7.0 or later;

Cost:
    All you do is send me email saying where you found UsenEdit, what you
    think of it, and what you would like to see in future versions!

Modifications and fixes since v1.1.1:
       Miscellaneous code improvements;
       Scroll bars behave properly;
       TeachText "Newspaper" (ie, 'ttro') files can be opened;
       Error routines reduced a to smaller generic handler;
       Initialization code put in separate segment to increase heap space.

Enjoy, and have fun posting!  ttyl, erik


[Archived as /info-mac/text/usen-edit-112.hqx; 31K]

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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 13:50:06 -0600 (CST)
From: "Mark Dohm, UW-P Information Technology" <[e-mail]>
Subject: '1984' avail. via Gopher

Attention users trying to ftp or gopher the 1984 clip (the good one) from
csc.ucs.uwplatt.edu:

If you have Gopher access, please get the file from 137.104.131.2 instead.

This machine is only a ClassicII, but the main thing it's currently doing
is making '1984' available via Gopher.  The files are segemented with
Stuffit Lite 3.06 and also Binhexed. You must have Stuffit 3.0x to put
them back together. Segments are 2.9MB (3.9MB as binhex).

The site hasn't been fully tested, please report any problems to me asap.

Thanks,  Mark.  8^)
!! Mark Dohm   U/Wisconsin-Platteville Information Technology

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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 94 02:14:33 EST
From: Allan Hunter <[e-mail]>
Subject: About that tempting LineLink...

Unto those of you who have taken the plunge, especially those who know
things about modems in general, I ask the following--

Given that my current 2400 modem is a no-frilly Zoom, which responds
nicely to the very minimal instruction "atdt 70,,,,,6328000", whereby
"70" turns off call waiting and commas make it wait and what follows
is the phone # to the local university's data line; Given that Kermit
(which is 99.998 % of what I use to modem with) has options of attach-
ing at speeds of 9600, 14400, ...57,600; Given that the Mac itself can
process decently fast [030 @ 40 altho narrow slow data pathway SE]--
IF I can assume that a phone call to the local university yokels tells
me that their datalines understand "v.32bis" modem language, and are
capable of connecting at hi speeds--

1.  Is it reasonable to assume I can just buy the LineLink, reset the
Kermit's communications settings for 14.4 or 9600, dial up as usual,
connect, and upload/download to my heart's content without having to
worry or wonder much about what in the name of hell a "hardware hand-
shake" is, or what modem commands exist other than "atdt"?  Keep in
mind that I'm only concerned about this one connection...

2.  If I actually DO have to worry about complicated stuff like hard-
ware handshaking, noise suppression, quality of phone line wires, etc.
[PS, as long as I'm burbling:  the call is a local call, practically
within walking distance, in case that's meaningful info], where can I
learn about such stuff without being immersed in a horrid chicken vs.
egg learning environment where from the outset I'll be lost in some
discussion about "parity" and "stop bits" and "Xon" and other stuff I
would rather not have to know about?

The bottom line for me is, if I can Kermit to the local box at 4 or
more times faster than I'm doing now with the 2400, at $99 it's worth
it (and never mind the 57,600 altho that would be still yet nicer),
but except for down and uploading 2400 is OK and it's not something I
want to go for a 6 month learning-curve trial period about.

& Your help is appreciated even if I don't always say thank you to
those who provide me w/referrals and info--so TIA, most sincerely.


-Allan Hunter
<ahunter@sbccvm>
<[e-mail]>

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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 14:24:07 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Apple's warranty service (C)

Hello All,

Too often, people only write letters when something doesn't go right. Well, I
just wanted to tell everyone of my good experiences with Apple's warranty
service. I was pleasantly surprise
d at how quick, efficient, and thoughtful Apple customer service was and
thought y'all might like to know too.

A PB 180 that I got for Christmas went bonkers approximately 2 weeks after I
started using it. At first, it wouldn't boot from the hard drive and gave me a
"This
is not a Macintosh
 disk. Would you like to format it?" (approximate wording) message. As you
can imagine, I tried everything I knew to salvage the drive including using
Disk First Aid, Norton Utilities, and eventually trying to reformat the
drive. Unfortunately, the situation kept getting progressively worse -- from
not recognizing the hard drive at all to not even being able to boot from the
floppy drive. Eventually, when I pushed the power button to start the
computer my screen would come on and the cursor would work fine but that was
it. No boot up tone. No hard drive activity. No floppy drive activity.
Nothing!

To make a long story slightly shorter, it took Apple two attempts to
correctly repair my Mac. Their first attempt they replaced the IBM hard drive
(I thought that made sense, IBM hardware in a Mac was just asking for
trouble) and got the machine back to me in less than one week. Well, a day
and a half later the 180 went belly up again. This time it acted somewhat
different from the first time but it still seemed related to the HD and it
still exhibited the tendency to get progressively worse. This time when I
sent the Mac back Ap
ple couldn't even reproduce the problem, at least not in the short time that
they tried (maybe a couple of hours, max). However, since it was the second
time I had sent it back for the same type of problem they immediately
replaced the motherboard and a flex cable to the HD. I am happy to say that
mys Mac and I are very happy campers now.

I want to comment that I personally believe that Apple'
s actions were reasonable, considerate, and ultimately correct. One could
argue that they didn't spend enough time to correctly diagnose the problem in
the first place, especially considering the fact
 that it wouldn't even boot from the floppy drive after I had fussed with it
for a while. However, there has to a trade-off between the time you take to
diagnose a problem (with the assumption that the lon
ger you take the more apt you are to end up with a correct diagnosis) and
turn-around time. It'
s likely that in the majority of cases, Apple's quick diagnosis is the
correct one and the Mac i
s back in the owner's hands in a minimum amount of time. Furthermore, Apple's
policy of treating the second repair instance more seriously than the first,
while still keeping turn-around time at a minimum (pickup, repair, and return
in less than one week), is commendable. After all, Apple didn't even wait for
the machine to exhibit problems the second time around before they opted for
an expensive repair.

Thanks Apple -- Tom Burris

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 20:08:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Martin Wolfe <[e-mail]>
Subject: AppleShare - ARA - Retrospect Conflict.

--1900044074-432783801-759373825:#21452
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Here's an account of an ordeal I went through...


--1900044074-432783801-759373825:#21452
Content-Type: APPLICATION/octet-stream; name="post-to-Info-Mac.txt"
Content-ID: <Pine.3.07.9401232025.B21452@solix>
Content-Description:

Dear Info-Mac'ers:

   I am a Macintosh and IBM computer consultant in Miami and I came across
a problem between AppleShare 3.0, ARA 1.0, and Retrospect 2.0i.  It seemed
that everyone who needed to call in remotely was able to, but this seemed
to change each subsequent day.  What happened was that on, let's say a Monday,
the remote users and in-office users would have no trouble accessing the
server (Centris 610, 8/1000).  However, the next day, the office users
would still be able to access the server, but the remote users would get
a message from ARA that their Username and Password were not recognized
by the server.  So after many re-installs and init conflict checks I
discovered that it must be the backup software causing the problem.  That
was the only new application that would be opened after I had remote
access working (it initiated at 11:58pm each night).  So I called Dantz
and they told me that the conflict is with the strange way that ARA keeps
the Users and Groups Data File open.  When Retrospect read this file into
RAM and then tried to close it, ARA wouldn't like this (so to speak) and
the remote access resources of the file would become corrupted.  There
are two solutions to this problem and a fix for the data file:

      o The free AppleShare 3.0.2 updater fixes this problem.

                   OR

      o Have Retrospect skip the U & G file and just manually back
    it up to a floppy, and you can skip the updater.

                   AND

      o Drag the U & G file up to the root of the system and let
    AppleShare Admin create a new one.  All users and groups
    info should remain intact.  This you can do after you
    try one of the above.


Note: I contacted Apple's toll free tech support and they were as
      helpful as they could be and very nice.  Also, I used Internet
      mail to correspond with Dantz and the guy there was extremely
      nice and helpful as well.  I was very surprised.

Never underestimate the power of internet mail.

Happy tails,
   Martin Wolfe



--1900044074-432783801-759373825:#21452--

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 12:04:30 +0200
From: golden <[e-mail]>
Subject: appletalkand ethernet

I am interested to know if anyone has any experiance in running appletalk and
ethernet simultainiously.  What I need is the ability to have at the same time
access to both a laser printer which is connected by appletalk and to the
ethernet network.  I know that I can choose one or another by using the NETWORK
control panel device but this gives me an unsatisfactory solution.  One
solution
might be connecting the mac to the serial input of the printer.  Does anyone
have a driver for such a connection.  Anothert possible solution is to use the
"ROUTER", but the local gurus frown on this idea.

Any suggestions are welcome.  Please answer me directly.

My E-mail address is [e-mail]

Thanks in advance,  Moshe Golden

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 16:39:27 -0500 (EST)
From: MY KARMA RAN OVER MY DOGMA <[e-mail]>
Subject: A Q on Zterm

Hello all:
    Does anybody know of a way of making Zterm use KERMIT protocol?
I find, for me, the only drawback of zterm is no kermit support.
thanx
--Luis

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 18:41:04 GMT
From: Sven Guckes <[e-mail]>
Subject: Auto Power On/Off tidbits 209 [C]

Dieder Bylsma ([e-mail]) wrote :
>However, so far as I can tell, it only works on the following three
>modular Macs: Quadra 840AV, the IIvx, and the IIsi.

Just tried it on a Q800 -
the cdev gracefully exits saying "... can't be used on this Mac."

Sven :)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 06:13:11 PST
From: "Daniel Buchan"  <dan@192.102.232.32>
Subject: BeHierarchic

You've probably gotten many notes about this already, but the archive
"BeHierarchic 2.0" archive contains the *commercial* version of BeHierarchic (I
believe it was sold to Kiwi Software). The readme file says it's 1.0.5 (the
last
shareware version), but it's actually the commercial 2.0 version.

Daniel Buchan
Academic Computing
Dickinson College

[It is gone now.  I've put a copy of this email message in its place so folks
who down load it know why they couldn't get at the file. :( -Gordon]

------------------------------

Date: 24 Jan 94 12:55:00 CST
From: "Eugene Cohen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BeHierarchic 2.0

Isn't this verson of BeHierarchic commercial?  I recall that they released
a commercial version of the program and I'm pretty sure that it is version
2.0, although I may be mistaken.

Eugene
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 00:04:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Bill Johnston <[e-mail]>
Subject: BeHierarchic 2.0 is NOT freely redistributable

BeHierarchic 2.0 is not freeware or shareware;  it is the copyrighted
product of Kiwi Software, as is stated plainly on its control panel.
This software was previously posted to sumex back in 1992, and was
withdrawn by the moderators after Kiwi complained.  It may be derived
>From a beta release of Kiwi Power Menus, a commercial product.

Note that the ReadMe file included in this package has been taken
>From the v.1.0.5 release of BeHieriarchic;  it includes no mention
of a v.2.0 release.  It also seems that this version has been altered
to update the creation and modification dates:  although the control
panel states "(C) Kiwi Software 1991-92, this copy of BeHierarchic 2.0
is dated May 11, 1993.  It really dates to early '92.

I doubt that Karl was aware of this when he reposted it;  it's probably
been floating around on BBSes since its first (short-lived) appearance
on sumex.  Otherwise I agree with his comments:  it's faster than most
of the other hierarchical Apple menu INIT/cdevs;  and at ~$25 from the
Mac mail-order houses, I've been pretty satisfied with Kiwi Power Menus
in the two years that I've been using it.  Since then, both MenuChoice
and OtherMenu have improved considerably, adding features that are not
present in KPM, which hasn't been updated since its release in mid-1992,
(to my knowledge).

-- Bill Johnston ([e-mail])
-- 38 Chambers Street; Newark, DE 19711; [phone]

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 21:13:59 +0100
From: [e-mail] (Povl H. Pedersen)
Subject: Bold Symbol? (A)

Bruce Bromberek wrote:
>Please forgive me if this is a FAQ (if it is just point me
>to it and I'll sulk out of here) but how can I get BOLD
>symbold to print.  MS word 5.0 will show it correctly on the
>screen, but the printed result is plain.

Whenever you find a frequently occuring bug, or lots of annoying "features"
in your Word processor, then it is because it is Microsoft Word. Microsoft
has never written software according to Apple's standards, and I doubt they
have ever bought Inside Macintosh.

You solution is to choose any other word processor for the pages that gives
you the problems, and things should be OK. On my HP DeskWriter things works
as supposed to. Microsoft is known to have different sorts of font
problems, but it is some time ago since I wrote something in Word. I use
Nisus now, and can always save in Word format if that is what I want.

      Povl H. Pedersen - Macintosh Consultant and Programmer
         [e-mail] - [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 23 Jan 94 15:53:19 EST
From: Allan Hunter <[e-mail]>
Subject: death of wuarchive (enclosed: their README.NOW file)

The following is the text of a README.NOW file at the mirror site
wuarchive.wustl.edu--
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
The entire archives were destroyed the afternoon of Thursday, January 13th
due to a bug in the system crash dump routines.  There have been serious
problems restoring backups due to a failed tape drive -- we have gotten a
loaner drive, but there may not be any recent viable backups of the
archives.

Translation: everything was lost, the archive maintainers are scrambling
to find copies of all of the missing files -- it's probable that some
files were lost permanently.

Thanks for your patience,

The Management

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 25 Jan 94 00:40:27 JST
From: [e-mail] (Mark Nagata)
Subject: Disappearing Icons (C)

In Info-Mac Digest V12 #11,
> From: David M. Ikenouye <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Disappearing Icons

> .....
> When I rebuild my desktop with system 6, commandxo, the
> icons come back. But as soon as I go back to system 7 either with
> disk tools or my hd, the icons disappear again. There's something
> wrong. I'm either doing something wrong or there's a bug in
> system 7.
>
> Any suggestions? TIA.
>

When you rebuild the Desktop under System 7, be sure to boot with
the SHIFT key down ('Extensions Off').

Restart your machine, with the Shift key pressed.  When you see
"Welcome to Macintosh. Extensions Off", release the Shift key, and
press the Command-Option keys.  This will do a clean Desktop Rebuild.

When Finder finishes the work, you can immediately do Restart, to get
back to your work with your usual INITs.

Don't trust 'D***top Reset' or some such, INITs.
They may conflict with something, which may interfere with Finder's
Rebuilding of the Desktop.

If you run SpaceSaver, don't worry.  After the Desktop is rebuilt, you
reboot your machine, and (manually) open all folders that contain your
_compressed_ applications.  That will restore all icon information
properly.  I would guess AutoDoubler works the same.

Mark
--
Mark Nagata ([e-mail])

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 14:40:23 -0600 (CST)
From: Eric Durbrow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Electronic form designer for the Newton

Can anyone recommend a program that can design electronic forms
(checklists) for the Newton? Thanks for any advice.

Eric Durbrow
Dept of Anthropology
University of Missouri-Columbia

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 12:08:21 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Anthony Roybal)
Subject: Eudora & recombining "split" mail (A)

> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 09:31:50 -0500
> From: [e-mail] (Mike Craymer)
> Subject: Eudora & recombining "split" mail (Q)
>
> Does anyone know how to automatically recombine large emails that are
> "split" by Eudora into smaller equal-size messages?  For example, each
> Info-Mac Digest mailing I receive is split up by Eudora into a series of 3
> or 4 smaller messages that I manually paste back together into a single
> file using my text editor and then save to disk.  Is there some way to
> automatically recombine these back together when I save them?


Shift select each separate message and use "Save As..." to save them to one
text file. You can then use a text editor (such as BBEdit) to read the
file. You won't be able to read a text file that large from within Eudora.

--
Tony Roybal
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 05:26:01 +0200
From: [e-mail] (David L. Hirschberg)
Subject: Exchanging documents between Eudora and cc:mail (q)

Dear Net,

I am using Eudora on a mac and would like to collaborate with someone using
cc:mail.  I would like to be able to exchange documents transparently like
I can with other Eudora and msmail users (i.e. the binhexing is done in the
background).

How is it done at the cc:mail end?  I am unfamilar with the program and I
would like to send instructions to my collaborator so that she can set it
up at her end.  I sent one test document and it arrived at the other end
binhexed in the document.

THank you, David Hirschberg
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 10:16:44 EST
From: "arthur s ellen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: FutureBasic Bug

As I just bought FutureBasic and had been using True Basic, your post was
of immediate interest. My view on the extra run of the loop is a difference
in where each program placed the loop test and terminate, either pre or
post testing. I don't remember where the test is supposed to be. But
since the for loop in basic should act like the do loop in fortran, I
think they should change it.

Please keep me advised of how Zedcor responds, particularly if there
is a patch or upgrade.

Thanks for the post,

------------------------------

Date: 24 Jan 1994 06:08:08 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Happy birthday!

It was 10 years ago today that the Macintosh began to work its magic.  As
we look back, we can truly say that the Macintosh changed the world, or at
least made a dent in it.  Remember that fateful day in the year 1984 that
magic was made, for it changed our lives.

Each of you is a single cell in the great body of the State.  And today,
that great body has purged itself of parasites.  We have triumphed over the
unprincipled dissemination of facts.  The thugs and wreckers have been cast
out.  Let each and every cell rejoice!  For today we celebrate the first
glorious anniversary of the Information Purification Directive.  We have
created, for the first time in all history, a garden of pure ideology where
each worker may bloom secure from the pests purveying contradictory and
confusing truths.  Our unification of thought is more powerful a weapon than
any fleet or army on earth.  We are one people.  With one will.  One
resolve.  One cause.  Our enemies shall talk themselves to death, and we
will bury them with their own confusion.  We shall prevail.

Happy birthday, Macintosh!

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 23 Jan 94 01:41:13 EST
From: Allan Hunter <[e-mail]>
Subject: Hard Disk hates to get up in the morning_[Q]

The electronic soap opera contines (sigh!)...

I've actually been enjoying my fast and finally functional SE after so
long with the gnashing of teeth and wailing and whatnot; but all is not
yet well.

When I first boot after awhile of machine being turned off, the little
Mac has a tendency to go into vapor lock while doing a seek to hard
disk--whether attempting to launch a program, save document to disk,
resample a TIFF, print, open a folder...anything that results in the
old familiar rapid-fire disk-activity-light flicker.  When the SE
seizes up, the disk-activity light is always ON; the cursor (usually a
wristwatch, given the circumstances) always still responds to the mouse;
the keyboard is always dead, as are any on-screen dialog boxes (cancel,
MultiFinder's switch-app icon, etc); using the interrupt key usually
(not always) drops me into the debugger, but escape-to-shell seldom
works at all, and on the rare occasions when it does, the disk-
activity light is still frozen ON, and further instructions are ac-
cepted at I N C R E D I B L Y slow sludgy pace if at all.  Restart
un-seizes the hard drive after the bong and everything's fine until
the next seizure.

Once the Mac is warmed up, it quits doing it--runs reliably, depen-
dably doing its stuff without crashes.

Hard drive is a Quantum of unconventional parameters (Apple HD SC
Setup doesn't recognize it), formatted @ interleave 1 by (most
recently) Golden Triangle's Diskmaker; it's a 50 MB with no hard
partitioning.  The SE is accelerated w/AE's TransWarp '030 @ 40 MHz
(glorious headache that that's been), 16 MB fast RAM (70 ns), using
system 6.0.8 (AE's hardware enabling sys 6 & SE's ROMS to see the
16 megs, so no problems there), 1-1/2 rows of visible INITs/cdevs
plus a handful of no-icon'ers, as follows: Disinfectant INIT; Moire;
MacTools Partition INIT; APFont; BombShelter; Carpetbag; DOS Mounter;
Escapade; Flash-it; IconWrap; KeyPad; MacroMaker; MacsBug; MBar-
Compress; Mouse2; NamedFolder; NameView; Pop-Keys; PrintMonitor;
Remember?; RemVInit; ScanMan Driver; Scroll2; SFScrollInit; SFOpen;
SoundMaster; StyleWriter driver; SuperClock; TrueType; Warp '030 cdev;
WindowShade; OnCue; SFVol.

Two other SCSI devices are attached daisy-chained:  PLI floptical and
Scan Man (which is usually turned off when not in immediate operation).

The weird Quantum 50 MB HD identifies itself as "LP52S 95050940", for
whatever that's worth.

Anyone got any clues?

-Allan Hunter
<ahunter@sbccvm>
<[e-mail]>

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 23 Jan 94 20:24:21 PST
From: [e-mail] (Charles A. Poynton)
Subject: HD Formatting Questions

Hans,

Here's what I know about about SCSI drivers on SyQuest.

A SCSI driver is more or less raw machine code that lives on the first
(or last?) few blocks of the disk media in a small partition, 16 KB or so,
that has no file system. The partition map itself is another small,
normally invisible partition with no file system.

When a Mac boots, its ROM code queries SCSI devices one by one until it
finds a bootable drive. It loads the system from that drive. Later on
during the boot process, the system queries SCSI devices one by one, and
upon finding a driver, loads it into system memory (where it remains til
shutdown), associated with the corresponding SCSI ID number. Operations to
a particular SCSI ID normally use a driver pulled from that ID.

If a removeable SCSI disk is without media upon startup, well, no driver!
Hence the need for SCSIProbe (or something else) to search the bus for
spun-up carts, search the cart for a driver, and load it up.  A cart must
therefore have a driver recorded in the special place. This is supposed to
be done when the cart is formatted. The desire to have a well-constructed
driver is the reason to have reputable formatting software. I had trouble
reading other people's SyQuest carts when I first got a drive, because
they had used sleazy formatting software. You can imagine what happens if
the driver software on a cart is 32-bit dirty or cache-incompatible!

The SilverLining product comes with a control panel device (SilverControl)
that gets control at boot time and installs its own driver into whatever
slots you identify in its configuration. If you use this CP, then the
driver on the cart itself is not used (unless that cart has just been used
to boot the system). I use this scheme, and it works well. If you do not
use this scheme, then you must force the bus to be scanned and the driver
to be loaded the first time that you insert a cart, but once you have done
so the driver from **that** cart remains resident til shutdown. This is
apparently your case at the moment.

For drives with non-removeable media, none of this matters -- the system
just uses the driver from that disk. No need for drivers to match among
SCSI disks, but you do want your non-removeable drives to have good
drivers too!

Latest SilverLining is 5.5/16. LaCie recommends it for everything --
SyQuests, PowerBooks, even Apple drives. I believe them, and I use it
everywhere with no problems.

Hope this helps,

Charles A. Poynton

415-336-7846
<[e-mail]>
-----

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 22 Jan 94 16:54:25 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Jay L. Cross)
Subject: How to set up silent answer on a Supra?

Does anyone know how to set up a SupraFAXModem v.32bis to "turn
on" the silent answer feature?  This is described in Supra's
manual, but nowhere can I find the necessary codes to enable
the feature.  I'm using the FAXstf 2.2.3 that was included with
the modem.  I'd like to set the thing up as described in
chapter five of Supra's "Reference Manual".  FAXstf will allow
a user-entered init string, so it seems like I should be able
to enter the necessary AT command/code here.

Has anybody done this, and if so, *how*?

Thanks very much.

--
     Jay Cross      CROSS Resources     [phone]
  [e-mail]   [e-mail]
    HyperCard development, Macintosh user training, DTP

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 23 Jan 94 15:20:46 +0100
From: [e-mail] (Robert Gauthier)
Subject: Hypercard->Toolbook

I thought there was a program to convert between Hypercard and

Toolbook(for Windows).I even thought that I could find it on info-mac.

and that it was called "Convertit"

Could somebody put me right and if possible tell me where I could find

such a program (shareware or commercial)

Please reply to me as I can't subscribe to the list owing to the infamous cost

of bitnet mail in France.

Thanks in advance

[e-mail]
Universite Toulouse-le Mirail
Roquefoulet
31560 Nailloux
TEL:[phone]

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 09:22:02 -0600
From: [e-mail] (John VanDyk)
Subject: LCD screens and eyestrain (C)

I have found that using the passive-matrix display of my PB 145 gives me
significantly LESS eyestrain than a 16" color Apple monitor with a
radiation filter, and definitely less than a 14" Apple RGB monitor with no
filter.

That's one of the reasons I love this display...I can look at it all day
and have no trouble with eyestrain.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 16:15:08 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Jon Pugh)
Subject: LocalTalk/Ethernet Routers

I was talking to Reese Jones, CEO of Farallon, briefly at MacWorld (giving
him a razz about wearing a suit, as usual) and he told me that Farallon was
putting out a new cheap device which would simply bridge a single LocalTalk
network to an Ethernet.  Does anyone know anything about this device?

Jon

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 13:56:05 EST
From: Tom Coradeschi <[e-mail]>
Subject: LW 8.1 Spool

Akira <[e-mail]> wrote:
>HAs anyone out there come up with a hack that will stop LW 8.1 from spooling
>to the printmonitor folder? I have a small system partition (30 megs), and
>print files from photoshop that are larger than that.  The driver will
>spool the file first, and then print it. How can I stop this.

Turn off Background Printing.

        tom coradeschi    <+>    [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 10:59:43 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Monty Hampton)
Subject: Mac286 & HDFD - Help?

Hello fellow do-gooders. I don't think I've helped as many people on the
Net as have helped me, so I am sure appreciative of this valuable resource.
Naturally, I have another problem that perhaps someone in the NetWorld has
already solved.

I have an old style Mac286 card from Orange Micro (the kind that had 2
cards and took up 2 slots). Haven't had much need for it lately, but
recently saw and purchased a Mutual Fund database that was DOS based and
shipped only on 3.5" HD disks. Well, I hadn't needed to load anything onto
the C-Drive of my Mac in ages, and sure enough - I can't get anything from
my HDFD to load into the C or D drive of the Mac286.

I called Orange Micro and was informed that I would have to upgrade the
card to a one card system in order to be able to accomplish this ($200) and
that if I did, the 5.25" drive I had to buy to use the 286 card would no
longer be useable. Altogether I paid some $1500 for the setup 7 years ago.
Don't use it enough to warrant the $200 upgrade.

Orange Micro (some years ago) had sent out an ad (which I had in my file)
for 'DOSMounter' which they claimed in the ad would do what I need. The
tech support person I spoke to at OM 2 days ago said he'd never heard that
DM would do that and besides, OM no longer had DM. He stated the only way
to do what I wanted to do was the hardware upgrade. He further stated that
the DM currently being distributed by Dayna wouldn't allow you to access
the HDFD from Mac286. When I questioned why the original version of DM
would do this, but they now had no software option, he said he would ask
around and get back to me. Well, of course I have not heard from him yet.

For those of you who survived this lengthy explanation, my question is.....

Does anyone know of anyway I can access the HDFD from within Mac286 without
the hardware upgrade?? I would really hate to spend so much money just to
use a single $25 DOS applicaton. (BTW - the compressed INSTALL.EXE file is
larger than the low density 5.25" disks read by my current DOS drive).

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!!  Thanks!

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 18:10:48 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: New list for Macintosh Managers (Mac-Mgrs)

Hello Net folks!

    I am writing to announce the creation of a new list specifically devoted
    Macintosh Managers. The Mac-Mgrs list was created on Jan 18, 1994 to
    cater specifically to the needs and questions of anyone who is
    involved in managing or otherwise taking care of Macintosh Systems
    and/or networks.

    What follows is the info file for the mac-mgrs list. Hope to see you
    online!



Juan A. Pons
List Moderator
Mac-Mgrs
[e-mail]

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-



    Mac-Mgrs is a mailing list for the discussion and dissimenation of
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    This list is a successor to the mac-mgr list that I started 3 years
ago at Clark University, but that I was forced to abandon due to
circumstances beyond my control. I unfortunately lost my previous list of
addresses (which was upward of 250) so we need to start from ground zero.

    Depending on the amount of interest the list generates this time
around I will develop an FAQ and set up an FTP site containing relevant
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 11:19:27 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Old mac questions...

    I have a few questions...
1)      What is the Fastest Mac that can boot system 6.x.x ??
2)      What is the Youngest Mac that can boot system 6.x.x ??
3)      What is the least expensive used Mac that came with a HDFD ??
        (or is it FDHD) ??

    If anyone has a Mac that answers one of the above questions and
are willing to let it go inexpensively, please e-mail me. I need to invest
in something that we can use at work to maitain a data base and some light
spreadsheet info and of course Word Processing.

    Also if there is a list of macs that would help me obtain the
answers to the above questions, I would appreciate knowing of its location
and name.

    Please e-mail me with any answers (or at least CC my e-mail) TIA.

Thanks,
    Mike    [e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 01:32:25 -0600
From: (Pete Chane) <[e-mail]>
Subject: Operate an FC BBS?

I am starting a First Class BBS system and I am looking for existing FC BBS
users for help with problems.

If you are one, email me.

Thanks.


PETER CHANE
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
University of Wisconsin-Madison, 1994 Rose Bowl Champions.

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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 16:14:39 -0800
From: [e-mail]
Subject: PB trackball fix

Another caution.  I found out the hard way that you have to be very careful
with alignment of the two rollers while using que-tip to clean them.  If
you move them along the axle in any direction, you may end up with no
movement in either direction - and an up/down only mouse is very useless.

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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 11:43:26 -0700
From: [e-mail] (JIM BEALL)
Subject: Scanner purchase advice sought

We are going to purchase a new BW/greyscale scanner.  For the past year or so,
magazine reviews have focussed on color scanners, so I am looking for
advice/opinions regarding scanners to look for, scanners to avoid, and pointers
to vendors who may offer particularly good pricing or bundles.
Please reply direcly to me; I'll summarize to the net.
Thanks,
Jim Beall      [e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 06:46:58 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Christopher L. Ursich)
Subject: Startupscreen on second monitor --Thankyou

Thank you to all who responded to my question about placing
the startupscreen on the external monitor.  The unanimous
reply said to open the Monitors control panel, and hold
down the option key.  A Mac icon will appear, as will a
menu bar icon.  Drag the menu bar to the second monitor if
you want to have the desktop menu bar appear there, and
drag the Mac icon to the second monitor if you want that
to be your main monitor and display your starupscreen.  When
no external monitor is connected, the PowerBook shows everything
on its internal screen.

Thanks to all the people who responded, including:
[e-mail] (Gabriel M. Schuyler)
"burrman" <[e-mail]>
John Thoo <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Hans Verbrugge).
My question is.. Why doesn't Apple document these things
in the manuals?  How come they keep these things secrets
>From everybody unless you know who to ask?  Here's my next
question which the manual does not mention:  What is the
startup key combination for zapping PRAM?  I know it is
P, R, and some other keys, but which?

Thanks,

Chris Ursich
[e-mail]

"The great thing about standards is that there are
  so many to choose from."

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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 13:08:08 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Russ Arcuri)
Subject: Submission of BeHierarchic 2.0 to archives

Hi,

Somebody submitted BeHierarchic 2.0 to the info-mac archives recently.  Am
I wrong, or don't I remember that this happened once before, resulting in a
ton of trouble for the archive maintainer because BeHierarchic 2.0 is
COMMERCIAL SOFTWARE?

Perhaps I'm not remembering this right, but I think I am.  BeHierarchic 2.0
should be removed from the archives.  I don't think it is freely
distributable.

Russ Arcuri
[e-mail]

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Date: 19 Jan 1994 01:47:57 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Adriano Lucatello)
Subject: Unattended shutdown on a Plus (SUMMARY)

Following my posting to the net in sys.comp.mac.system searching for some
init/application to help me shut down unattended a Mac Plus (4 Meg RAM &
System 7.1) without using QuicKeys which takes lots of precious RAM, I
received several recommendations:
Timed Lauch, Powerless, (AutoPower On/Off does not work on all Macs!)
Shutdown Items v. 3.0.(- in sumex archives in directory info-mac/rec/SID
3.0).
I used this last one and it did precisely what I wanted in first place and
posted a note to digest. V12 #8.
I have now followed the later advice of <[e-mail]>
who informed me that, besides <Shutdown Items> (v. 3.0) & Co., there is
another application, called <cron> available at emx.cc.utexas.edu in
directory pub/gatekeeper. Like Shutdown Items it must be started up (alias
in the Startup items folder) and remains in the background but takes up
less memory, 34k (compared with 64 or 110k of Shutdown Items). Cron needs a
text file called crontab which contains all the scripts required to perform
cron actions.
These are easily configurable at the user's will. Cron acts as an engine to
open certain small applications and can perform other useful actions like
open/print/close a file/application at a certain time, shut down/restart
the Mac showing a countdown alert which can be cancelled if desired,
destroy the desktop (forcing it to rebuilt itself at the next startup,
displays any sort of alerts, has the option to automatically start sharing
a remote volume/server etc.
There are many more options and, since it is still a project under
development, the small applications that cron triggers could be increased.
Cron is now version1.0d13. Shutdown Items has one more possibility which
apparently cron has not, to remote shutdown any other Mac in the network
which has the same programme on, maybe cron could be developed in that
direction too...
Cron's Author is Chris Johnson (of Gatekeeper fame) and his whereabouts are:
Internet:   [e-mail]
UUCP:       {husc6|uunet}!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!chrisj
BITNET:     [e-mail]
CompuServe: >INTERNET:[e-mail]
AppleLink:  [e-mail]@internet#
U.S. Mail:  Chris Johnson, 4505-B Avenue H, Austin, TX  78751

Shutdown Items (SDI 3.0) Author is John Covele's preferred e-mail address
is: [e-mail]

The reason for a shutdown unattended on a Plus is the following:
for e-mail access through ARA & TB2 5.0 or just to receive more e-mail
ready for me in the morning, I have set up an ordinary timer which starts
up the Plus & modem at 10 pm then cuts the power off (abruptly) at
midnight. I wished (and obtained) to have an orderly shutdown to take place
10-15 minutes before the electricity gets cut off and the order to do so it
is now stored in the cron tab when the Plus starts up on its own at 10 pm:

// The following lines run the Eudora mailer for me -- it's run
// just before I call in so my mail will be waiting for me (21.45), and
// there won't be too much waiting to be downloaded
// in the morning.

45 21 * * * nobody -b open -bc CSOm
//      (CSOm is the CREATOR name of Eudora)
//      This last line quits Eudora in an orderly fashion just before
//      the scheduled system shutdown. This gives Eudora some extra time
//      to clean up.

40 23 * * * nobody -b quit -c CSOm
//      This quits Eudora, you may modify the CREATOR according to yr taste.

I would call this a the end of a very satisfactory and successful net effort!
PS: All the above programmes work only under system 7.x, a part from QuicKeys.

Thanks again to Brian Caldwell, John Covele, David Richardson, Mark
Phaedrus John.Gillett, Chris Johnson and to the unpayable network for
making all this possible! ;-)

Adriano

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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 12:09:37 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Daniel L. Styer)
Subject: VST ThinPlate vs PowerPlate

    I would like to purchase an accessory to provide extended battery use
    time
on my PB-180.  I am considering purchasing the VST ThinPack at a cost of $200.
They (VST Power Systems) claim an increase of runtime from 2.5 hours (internal
only) to 7.25 hours (with ThinPack). This is a 2.9 times increase in runtime.
Technoggin has three external power pack options: PowerPlate 3x ($240),
PowerPlate 5x ($300), and PowerPlate Mini 3 ($170). The PowerPlate 3's claim a
2.5 to 3 times increase in runtime and the PowerPlate 5 claims a 4 to 5 times
increase in runtime.  The PowerPlate Xx are a zero footprint design and the
Mini is a more compact version.  From the limited information that I have for
evaluation the PowerPlate might have a sturdier (more durable) construction.
However, I am concerned about heat dissipation with the PowerPlate attached
to my PB.

    What is your experience with either of these products and which would
you recommend?  If you know of another product which I should consider please
let me know.

    Thank You very much.


    Regards,
    Daniel


    [e-mail]
    Daniel L. Styer
    Biomedical Engineering Graduate Group
    University of California,  Davis
    [phone]


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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 15:29:33 EST
From: Kang Sun ~{Ko?5~} <[e-mail]>
Subject: WangDAT 3200 driver for Macintosh

Greetings,

    We are trying to hook up a WangDAT 3200 DAT drive on a MacII,
but we don't know if the proper driver is available. Can anyone
provide this information? Send me E-mail please. Thank you!

-- Kang

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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 08:46:01 -0500
From: "Tom Scott" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Why not ftp using the Choos

     Why not ftp using the Chooser?
[e-mail] (Hans de Wolf)

>Why do we have to use a special application like Fetch to ftp files ?
>
>Fetch works fine, but in fact the way you work with Fetch is just as
>un-macintosh as working with the Font/DA-mover. It should not be
necessary
>to use a special application to move files over a network connection -
that
>is something we have the Finder for.
>
>Here is a wild idea: ftp should work like ARA. What I would like is a
>configuration where I could set up a ftp connection by means of the
Chooser,
>using something like the AppleShare setup. After connecting, the
network
>device should appear on the desktop, and should be accessible to the
Finder.
>
>Does anybody know if something like this is possible (maybe in ARA
2.x)?
>Does it sound like a good idea? Are there technical reasons why this
is
>impossible ?

Sorry I haven't answered sooner; I'm behind in reading my Info-Macs.

I'm not sure if you've received an answer yet, but here's my $0.02:

FTP is based on a set of protocols known as TCP/IP (Transmission
Control Protocol/Internet Protocol) where "Chooser File Transfers" are
based on the AppleTalk protocol. All TCP/IP services (FTP, Gopher,
World Wide Web, etc.) ensures that it doesn't matter *WHAT* client
you're working off of (Mac, DOS, Windows, Unix, etc.), you can connect
to a server providing those services.  Granted, connecting to the
Info-Mac archive from a DOS machine doesn't make much sense since all
programs in the Info-Mac directory are Mac-related (unless you want to
download Mac programs for your non-Internetted home Mac to your
Internet-connected MeSsy-DOS machine at work), but many sites (like
wuarchive.wustl.edu) serve as mirror sites to Mac archives as well as
DOS archives.  TCP/IP services just provide a consistent means of
connecting to these services, regardless of the client platform.  IMHO,
Fetch is a nice interface to the FTP service (I guess you've never
experienced the stone-knives-and-bearskins interface of HyperFTP!!!
:-)

Many FTP servers are based on the UNIX platform anyhow (or in some
cases, a high-end Mac running A/UX), so trying to ensure translation
into something transferable by means of an AppleTalk-based protocol,
would be unnecessarily time-consuming.  And you're really limiting the
size of your audience if you do that.  However, this would be a great
project for a budding entrepreneur programmer to build a client
interface that is Chooser-like!  Here's your chance!!!  ;-)

Thomas Scott, Systems Manager, College of Engineering
Cornell University, Carpenter Hall Annex, Ithaca, NY  14853

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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 15:26:17 -0600
From: [e-mail] (David A. denBoer)
Subject: WriteNow 3.0 Bug

I thought this would be an interesting thing to post.  I found this one
out because of a hack in our screen saver in our office  (which turns balloon
help on to speed up animation).

Open up a document in WriteNow 3.0.  Turn on balloon help.  You'll see
balloons pop up all over the document window as you should.
OK, now for the fun!
Go to the applications menu, and hide WriteNow.  Go to another app, or
preferably the Finder.  (Leave Balloon help on).
Move the mouse around the desktop in the Finder.  Don't put the mouse over
any
other windows or icons.  Watch WriteNow's balloons show up in the finder!

I guess WriteNow is actively polling the Mouse location every time it
receives
a null event, and if there is a document open it puts up its balloons
regardless if it the frontmost application.

Weird huh?!

--
David A. denBoer                                        University of Manitoba
[e-mail]                                      Computer
Services

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